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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595706" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595706">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>So I'm trying to find better ways to capture lang team activity</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595752" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595752">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I was trying is creating issues on the lang-team repository for active project groups</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595772">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/labels/project-group">https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/labels/project-group</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595784" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595784">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also have been updating this github project:</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595805">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/projects/2">https://github.com/rust-lang/lang-team/projects/2</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595832">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>the idea was that we were supposed to "assign" the issue for each project group  to its leads + liaison</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595900">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I can't actually do that in all cases for some reason or another, probably because the relevant folks aren't members of the rust org? not sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200595948" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200595948">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was also hoping that we could post "status updates" to the issues instead of in the paper doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596017" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596017">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>If they comment on the issue, you can assign them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596027">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>(it's incredibly awkward)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596062">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's probably a bug that they are not members of the org</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596076">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., the project groups are represented in the team repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596093" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596093">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>but maybe they don't have a github team associated with them</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596100" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596100">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>would that change anything?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596199">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah if they're members of the org should be assignable I think, likely we'd want to add teams anyway for project groups (because of cc @rust-lang/inline-asm for example)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596212">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>right example</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596230">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do feel a bit of tension I have to say around organizing this "by team"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596257" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596257">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think i's the right way to go for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596297" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596297">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I feel like it'd be nice if we had a more centralized setup and a <code>rust-lang/meta</code> or something with <code>T-lang</code> labels etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596312" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596312">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>since I suspect many projects will cross-cut (e.g., const-eval)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596335">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>but .. I don't know, that has its problems too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596449" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596449">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm well one thing I'll note</p>



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<p>that the github projects thingy can be cross-repo (org wide that is)</p>



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<p>and it does seem like having a single "primary" team is good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596560">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>one problem i've noted with the async-await stuff</p>



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<p>is that there are just very different 'mindsets'</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596588" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596588">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., there is a need for polish, and a need to design traits, and lang features</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596665">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not obviously great to mash them e.g. into one zulip stream</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596682" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596682">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>and clearly not one <em>meeting</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596693" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596693">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think there's nothing wrong with a single project group having multiple streams/issue trackers/etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596696">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>otoh, there is a lot of overlap between the people</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200596767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200596767">(Jun 11 2020 at 19:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(when it's silo'd into multiple homes, so to speak)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing%20the%20lang%20team/near/200598161" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/213817-t-lang/topic/organizing.20the.20lang.20team.html#200598161">(Jun 11 2020 at 20:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have to say that organizing things via a github repo feels a lot better than the paper doc</p>



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